The following excerpts are from an interview I conducted on Feb. 9th, 2011.

You can listen to the full interview here: http://www.archive.org/details/DrNielsHarritInterviewedByKevinKelsoAboutThermiteInWtcDebris

Dr. Niels Harrit is a retired associate chemistry professor at the University of Copenhagen. He is 3 months retired. His observations have proven to be quite profound, and should be of great interest to anyone that is serious about understanding the events of Sept. 11th 2001.

Kevin Kelso:  I’m very interested in your activity with the 9/11 truth side of things... How did you first discover the demolition aspect of the world trade center towers?

Dr Niels Harrit:  This was kind of accidental.  My wife, Pernille, who you will meet when we both come to Vancouver in a couple of weeks, has been a peace activist and well known to the local scene for a long time… and I guess we suspect that is the reason why somebody sent her, 4 years ago, some DVDs anonymous.

And later on, for maybe a few weeks, we didn’t know what it was and then some evening we put it on and it turned out to be one of the DVDs, a presentation by professor Steven E Jones from the BYU university… you’ve probably seen this, many people have… where he is presenting building 7 going down. And this was the first time I saw building 7.

Kevin Kelso:  you didn’t even know that there was a 3rd building that collapsed that day

Dr Niels Harrit:  Exactly, this was the first shocking… because up until 4 years ago, I thought that the world trade centre were the twin towers and didn’t think much about it.  But to realize that there were two airliners and three skyscrapers, it was a shock and nobody had told me about it.  And the other thing that my natural scientist, why is this happening? And it took us both a couple of weeks to realize the importance of what we had seen.  And from that point, there was a turning point from which there has been no way back since.

Kevin Kelso:  yeah, well that brings me to a question that’s been on my mind… I think that there’s a quote out there from you about if you’re an intellectual and you come to understand the truth about 911 or things of that nature, now you’re left with 2 options: you can either go on and live in shame and continue with what you’re doing, or you can speak out and try to do something about it.

Dr Niels Harrit:  Yeah, that’s true.  I mean, it’s a matter of personality that you really don’t have a choice.

Kevin Kelso:  Right, and some people would because I think in a lot of cases it’s going to have a negative effect on you career if you go out on this so maybe you may even consider it a selfish manner that people would ignore their findings on this. But it made me think of the war memorial in Germany, there’s a war memorial for those who resisted the Nazi occupation and it says “for those who cold not bear the shame”

Dr Niels Harrit:  Okay, I was not aware of that

Kevin Kelso:  Yeah, I sometimes quote you both and draw the parallel between the two thoughts there.

Dr Niels Harrit:  That’s quite company to be in. Thank you.

Kevin Kelso:  I think it’s the same kind of evil that we’re dealing with.  What do you think of the powers that are behind this tragic event?  What do you think was really behind it?

Dr Niels Harrit:  Oh, usually I would only talk about this in very general terms because as a scientist it is my job to point to the facts and use my training and my skills to dig out information from the technical reports, and I do this very actively in the local area here. I live in Denmark, which is the Northern part of Europe, and we’re a tiny country and we’re really trying to work with the local scene and really trying to push that over for a domino effect eventually. And this is my primary job but of course we can’t stop thinking.  And I was saying also to my wife today, that the general feeling of the mood globally around the world, how much it has changed for the last 10 years. And I see everything is being connected.  So you can talk about the environment, you can talk about the climate, you can talk about economy, you can talk about war, you can talk about landmines, you can talk about unemployment and poverty… it’s all related.  And it ALL converges; the last 10 years into September 11 2011.  So this is really a key event.  Also rich people come to power afterwards, and the changes in the press, which some people consider to be free. Everything is tied together and it all converges into a short time scale into Sept. 11, it’s a key event.  And I also believe that particularly,  the destruction of world trade center and particularly building 7 is a window of opportunity for us.  Bob Mcilvaine Has said some really sensible things about this which I will not repeat here, but which is really a widow of opportunity. We have these years, and I’m very serious, saying these things.

Kevin Kelso:  I think it’s a very important widow into the sort of “behind the scenes” of what really goes on in geopolitical affairs, to understand that these types of events are often orchestrated and that there’s a lot more to them than people think. 

Niels Harrit:  That’s another comment to the situation I talked about, the global situation. Another thing that is happening here is both of the conflicts which are presented to us by the press are occurring along vertical fractures.  I’m talking about countries, or groups of people, which, so that the conflicts are staged, as being between countries and this is a vertical borderline actually, which goes down between people.  Some places literally a wall.  But the real conflicts are occurring between top and bottom, so the real fractures horizontal. So this is hidden to us. See my point? See, they stage soccer games between countries. Everybody gets very excited. The real conflict is between top and bottom. The top layer is very, very thin.

Kevin Kelso:  You’re saying that the people at the top don’t want us to realize that they are the real enemy, they would rather have us fighting each other over superficial issues?

Dr Niels Harrit:  Yeah, I think I put it more abstract, didn’t I?

Kevin Kelso:  Yeah, it works on both levels, like you can say in Egypt, you have… rather than seeing who’s behind Mubarak, the powers would like to see the people fighting each other.  Mubarak supporters versus revolutionaries or whatever. But that’s not the real struggle, the real struggle is the general population against the elite, the upper crust who is oppressing them.  But they become easily distracted by that by being pitted against each other.  Now, I have a question for you; in your country, and I think this was an issue for you, is there a law there that the media has to report a major story, and how do they define a major story and how did this play out for your situation with your story?

Dr Niels Harrit:  Haha, a major story around here the kind of story that will keep people in front of the TV screen.

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Kevin Kelso: I’d like to ask you about the specifics of your findings when you looked at the dust from the debris from the world trade centers.  What did you find there and how sure can we be sure that it’s active thermitic material and was used as an incendiary to destroy the buildings?

Dr Niels Harrit:   …It’s a scientific paper.  And a scientific paper is a set of a data and the best hypothesis you can come up for explaining the observations.  And that’s all.  The important point is, there was some discussions which were on going about the review process. And this must have been, this must be the most reviewed paper in the history of natural science. This is my feeling at least.  Because millions of people must have read it by now.  Nobody has really come up with a better hypothesis for the observations, specifically. So we become more and more confident in a sense, you can say, it is the review that we never got, which makes me very confident, that the conclusions that we suggest are correct… I could say that we do not know what the red grey chips are, really.  We can describe their properties, we can say it looked like thermitic material, and it reacts.  You say if it quacks like a duck, and it waddles like a duck, if it looks like a duck, probably it is a duck.  But if somebody comes along to say that it’s a GMO - a gene modified goat. We have to accept that, if they have a better explanation.  Out there, there is somebody who knows exactly what the red grey chips really are.  We don’t know if it served as an incendiary or if it’s part of an explosive device. We cannot tell. We know that it shouldn’t be there, we know that it has a lot of energy, and we know most importantly, that elemental iron is formed when you find reactive chips and you ignite it.

Kevin Kelso:  So you actually found iron microspheres.  Is that what you mean by elemental iron?

Dr Niels Harrit:  Oh yea, but this is not our finding at all.  They were already described in two reports: first by a private organization called the RJ Lee Group, and this first report came out in 2003, I think.  And in 2004 as part of an insurance case at the Deutsche Bank. And they describe the content of 5.76% of the dust was these iron spheres. And in ordinary building dust, you’d only expect .04%. This is an abundance by a factor of 130 or 140 times more of the spheres.  And it also comes up on a report from the US geological survey, a couple of years later, which Steven E Jones studied and already at that time it was crystal clear that thermite had been used.  I can come up with a list of ten other observations, all prior to our investigation of the dust, which unambitiously implied the application of thermite.  So our discovery must first of all, be seen in context, it’s not a stand alone piece of forensic evidence.  It should be seen in the context that professor Jones has very correctly described as the last nail in the coffin.

Kevin Kelso:  So maybe you could tell us a little bit more about the specifics of this dust.  From what I understand the dust or the debris was pulverized into micro – nano scale particles which it shouldn’t have been destroyed to that extent, and can you also tell me what causes a microsphere? An iron microsphere?  Is that from a high energy event?

Dr Niels Harrit:  No.  The iron microspheres – the point is of course it’s iron.  And the other is that it is perfectly spherical, it is round.  How can this particle get this shape?  This can only happen if the material has been liquid and it has been flying.  And it is a property of liquids, that whenever you have a droplet, a small droplet, if you have a mist or if you are talking about the fat curdles in your skim milk – when ever you have a drop of liquid flying it becomes spherical.  The underlying phenomenon is called surface tension.  This is a property of liquids. So these small iron spheres have been up and flying, and flying in the air.  And the proof that has been done, again, Steven E Jones, he bought some commercial thermite which you can buy, and he fired it off in the corner of the lab, and then you can collect exactly the same iron spheres as what had been found in the world trade center.

Kevin Kelso:  Now most people think, have theoririzied that it wasn’t thermite but it was nano thermite or a military grade thermite that was, I think, patented by the US military and is only found on a US military base. Does that theory hold water for you?

Dr Niels Harrit:  Oh yes, the red grey chips, is a nano material.  It is not conventional thermite, is not old time thermite, let me put it this way. And the thermite reaction is an old one, it was discovered in the 1890s by a German chemist, and patented very fast, because it’s very useful for welding, but it is also very useful for destroying other steel items, in particular armor, and it has been applied in military applications for many, many years.  But nano technology is different from ‘old time techniques’ in that the material is built from the bottom up. That is, you actually start on the atomic and molecular scale and are making use of what we call self assembly. You kind of fool the molecules to unite and form structures according to specific patterns. So you’re getting materials where, first of all, the dimensions are much smaller compared to when you make an ordinary mixture; and it’s embedded in a matrix which makes the contact between the agents(?) much more efficient.  [As for] the way of production, you have the option to add other chemicals. That is you have the ability to converge the thermite which originally was an incendiary, you can convert it into an explosive and use the energy of a thermite reaction in an explosive manner which is, which, means that it has to act by pressure.  Explosives, destroy things by the aid of pressure, whereas an incendiary is using heat. But nano thermite is really something in between.  What  particularly makes me very thoughtful – this was in the video that came out from David Chandler- he has made a series of brilliant videos – one in particular called “the South Tower Exploding.  Smoking Guns.”  And there, you can see fragments coming out of the tower which are actually changing direction in mid-air.  Or they’re moving towards the ground faster than freefall, with a white smoke trail.  And this could be [due to] our red-grey chips, actually, because the white trail is the other product of the thermite reaction, namely Aluminum Oxide.  But the observation, that these fragments which have been thrown out from the towers, some of them weighing tons, being thrown 100 meters away, the gigantic forces involved in the destruction of the towers.  They have rocket-like properties.  So not even do we have to consider something which is both explosive and incendiary, but, it also has rocket properties which makes me believe that even the finding of the red grey chips is only a part of the story.  There is more into it which we haven’t discovered or seen yet.  It’s very possible… so the most certain thing that we can say about the red grey chips is that they shouldn’t be there.

 Related Videos:

Dr. Harrit’s Feb. 24^th lecture will be archived at: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/voices-for-truth 

Danish News Reports Dr. Harrit's findings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o